Vincent Davis Interviews Special Guest Lisa Castillo
On today’s Radio show, I am pleased to have special guest, Lisa Castillo, for the first half of the show. The show is about how to get your kids back after they’re taken by CPS worker. We’ll also talk to callers about: .
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT (Radio Show Transcript from Nov 21, 2015 Air Date)
Vince Davis: Good morning, my name is Attorney Vincent Davis. I’m a licensed attorney in California. And today, we are talking about how to get your kids back specifically when they’re taken by CPS workers. Today, we have a special guest and her name is Lisa Castillo. She’s on the line this morning. Good morning, Lisa. How are you?
Lisa Castillo: Good morning, Mr. Davis. I’m fine, thank you. How are you?
Vince Davis: Thank you for joining us on today’s show. Lisa is going to tell us about her story with the Department of Children and Family Services [DCFS] in Los Angeles County. And I’ve been doing this type of work since January 1989 and I hadn’t quite heard a story like hers. You know, just when you think you’ve heard it all, you hear another story that is more unbelievable in the past. Lisa is a mother of three children and two years ago, she was involved with the Department of Children and Family Services. Lisa, tell us from the beginning what happened with your situation.
Lisa Castillo: Okay. On around October 2nd, I put my three-month old baby son to sleep and I went to go have dinner and maybe about 15 to 20 minutes later I went to check up — after I had my dinner, I went to check up on the baby and he was faced down and he wasn’t breathing, he was paled. We performed CPR on my son, my brother and I. We were taking turns and we called 911 and when the paramedics came, I was able to get a breath back from my son. I rushed outside and took my son to the paramedics, the paramedics rushed to the hospital and in the transition of taking my son to the hospital, he had a heart attack. They didn’t have the correct equipment to treat my son at the hospital that he was taken to. So he was transported to Peter Sinai Hospital. Arriving at Peter Sinai, they put my son on a machine. He was in ICU and he was pretty much in a coma from the time that he was taken into the hospital to like on Thursday night, October 4th, my son still had no progress. He was still in a coma. It didn’t look good for my son.
And Child Protective Services showed up and they interviewed me. I thought everything was fine during the interview. They didn’t — they have [0:02:55 inaudible] like, you know, something wrong, that they were going to take my kids or anything like that. But Child Protective Services left but I don’t know what they were doing but they came back like around 11:30 at night after all my family had left from the visiting area and they come and put me in a room with my baby’s father and they said that they were taking my kids away from me. And I said, “Why?” And they said, “Because your son is dead.” And I said, “My son is not dead. He’s still in a coma.” I called — you know, I didn’t know what to do, you know. They’re telling me they’re going to take my kids away from me and they said, you know, if I made a scene or if I did anything, they were going to call the cops on me.
I called the doctor and I told them what’s going on, you know, they’re saying that they’re accusing me of me doing this to my son. And he said, we already — the doctor that was treating my son told me, “We already spoke to them. We told them that there’s no sign of neglect. There’s no sign of child abuse. We’re calling it that, you know, we don’t know what happened. He’s in a coma and we don’t know right now. He’s still in a coma.” So they took my kids, my 13-year old and my 2-year old, they took them. They put them in a foster home and they told me they were going to call me tomorrow the next day.
On Friday morning, I get called into the room by the doctors and they told me that they declared my son deceased and that there’s nothing that they can do anymore for him. And I was getting calls from my daughter because she took her cellphone and she told me that they had separated my two-year old daughter from her during the night while they were sleeping. They took her from her arms and she didn’t know where she was at. And, you know, my 12-year old crying telling me she wants to come home. I didn’t tell her what was going on with my son, her brother. And I immediately called Child Protective Services and I told him that I wanted my kids back, that, you know, my son just passed away and that I needed — we needed to be together.
And she said, “Well, there’s nothing that I can do for you right now. We are going to take the kids to further investigation and you’re going to have to just wait for the process. We’re going to call you back for a court date so you can see the judge.” So this whole time, you know, I’m dealing with my loss and dealing with them taking my kids away, I’m like in shock. So finally, I get a call from them telling me that they had a scheduled date for me to see the judge. And I told them, “You know, why are you doing this to me? You spoke to the doctors, there’s no sign of neglect or abuse and why are you doing this to me? I want my kids back.” And they were like, “No, we need to keep your kids safe from you till we investigate further.” She asked at that time that if she can go see my house and I said, “You know, at this moment, I don’t think it’s the right time. I’m still in shock.” This is like within hours that my son had passed away and she’s asking me this.
So I said, “Not at the time, it’s not the right moment. When I go home, you can go check my house.” During — now [0:07:01 inaudible] I have the LAPD come to the hospital. I guess they called the police as well and they come to the hospital and they send me in a room and they started interviewing me and they asked questions of what happened, I explained to them what happened and then I get the news that they’re going to investigate and there might be pending homicide case for me until they get the autopsy report or until they do their investigation as well. So that was another bad news for me, like suspected of me hurting my son.
Then finally, when I then, I think it was the next day, yeah, it was the next day, the social worker called me and told me that they’re canceling my court date, that they’re not going to give me a court date because this is going to be better for me, that it’s going to be team meeting and that we’re going to discuss what the plan is going to be. And I said, “Well, what do you mean the plan? I want my kids back.” And she said, “Well, we’ll decide that when we’re at the meeting.” So then I said, “You know what, let me speak to your supervisor. I need to speak to somebody above you because this doesn’t sound right. You’re accusing me of me doing something to my son. The hospital is telling you that there’s no signs of child abuse. None of this is making any sense. You’re canceling my court date.”
So she gave me her supervisor’s phone number and, you know, I thought calling her supervisor, maybe he wasn’t aware of the situation, was going to help me and shed some light in my situation and when I called him he was just very rude. I told him, “You know, what was going on,” and I said, “I want my kids back. I need my kids with me. My son just passed away,” and he’s like, he told me, “You know what, your family members are getting fingerprinted right now to see if we can give the kids to somebody in your family members.” And he told me, “So you’re just going to have to wait,” and I said, “Well, how long is this going to take?” And he said, “You know what, it’s going to take as much as it’s going to take. You’re nobody special. What do you want me to do? Call the FBI and tell them, oh, Ms. Castillo wants her kids back.”
So at this time, I’m just feeling like, oh my God, what’s going on, you know…
Vince Davis: Ms. Castillo?
Lisa Castillo: Yes.
Vince Davis: Let me interrupt you just for a second. I want you to keep in mind where you left off but I want to ask you a couple of questions, okay?
Lisa Castillo: Okay.
Vince Davis: When we spoke previously, you said that a doctor had written a letter stating that the death was caused sudden infant death syndrome, (SIDS)…
Lisa Castillo: Yes.
Vince Davis: And I think, you know, the doctor wrote that letter, when did the doctor write this letter in relationship to the story that you’re telling us?
Lisa Castillo: The doctor wrote that letter when I informed the hospital that they canceled my court date. So it was around Friday or Saturday after my son’s death.
Vince Davis: Did the doctor write that letter in between the time of the court date and then taking away your kids?
Lisa Castillo: Yes, in between the time of my court date, yes.
Vince Davis: Okay. Now, do you remember the social worker that you were first dealing with, that the female, do you know her name?
Lisa Castillo: Yes, I do. Her name is Rihanna Aklan.
Vince Davis: Okay. And then you said you talked to the supervisor, what was his name?
Lisa Castillo: Erasmo Aguilar.
Vince Davis: Okay. Pick up the story from where you left off, please.
Lisa Castillo: Okay. After coming to a dead end with the supervisor, I get another visit from the LAPD and they said that they wanted to come visit my house and see the room where everything occurred. I came back to my house with the police officer. They took pictures. They took me back to the hospital. I keep calling Rihanna because in the transition that all of this is happening, one of my family members informed my daughter, my 12-year old daughter that her brother has passed away and she was really very — she was not good, she was upset, she was sad, she was crying and she called me and she said, “Mom, I want to be with you. Why can’t you come pick me up? Why are they doing this to me?” So I called Rihanna and I told her, “Can you please bring my kid here? She needs me. You know, she needs me and I need her. I need my kids here.” And she said, “I’ll see if we can take them to you.” And throughout the day, I kept calling her and she said, “No, we can’t take her,” by this time already, my little one was already in Lancaster in a foster home and my 12-year old was still like in a foster home where there’s like a lot of kids waiting to be placed.
So finally, she calls me back, like over the weekend and she told me she needs me — I guess it was on the weekend or on Monday, you know, I had to turn off the machine on my son because his — I was waiting for them to bring my kids back to the hospital. And finally, like on — actually, I’m sorry, on Monday, the following Monday, my kids were placed with their paternal grandmother and she was able to take my daughter for a few hours and say their last goodbye to my son. We turned off the machine and my daughters left with the paternal grandmother. And I came home and I get call from Rihanna Aklan and says that she needs me to do a drug test immediately and I told her, “Well, if I do this drug test and I come out clean, am I going to get my kids back?” And she said, “I don’t know. We’ll see.”
So within that same hour, I go do my drug test. I called her and I told her I did my drug test already and she’s like, “Okay.” So I followed up and then she’s like, “Yes, I received your drug test. I will discuss it in the team meeting.” So finally when the team meeting day comes, within the transition that all this is happening and waiting, I contacted a lawyer to come with me so I can get my kids back. I take the letter with me that I have from the hospital and signed from the doctor. And I show up with my lawyer and as I’m coming in and signing in, I’m letting them know, “You know what, I’m here present and I have my attorney present.” And the person that’s in charge, the mediator and the social worker, they told me, “Oh, you can’t have an attorney present here.” And I said, “Why?” “Because this is a team meeting and you’re not allowed to have an attorney present.” And they told my attorney that he needed to leave and my attorney said, “I need you to put it on record that I was present with her,” and they said, “Okay, we will.”
So my attorney left and I was already upset. I already knew something was going on because I’ve never heard of somebody not allowed to have an attorney present when there’s a case going on. And so we signed in and my brother, my mom, my son’s father and his parents are there and I had a cousin for support as well and we signed in for the team meeting. And as soon as the team meeting starts, I have a previous record and at that time, I was on probation and I was in compliance with all my court orders, and I gave this information to them, I also gave them my probation officer’s phone number so they can verify that I was good, you know, I’m in compliance.
So as soon as I start in the meeting, they started attacking me. I felt like they were just like being judgmental because of my record. They start to say, “[0:16:13 inaudible], you’re on drugs.” And I said, “What do you mean I’m on drugs? Like I just took the drug test and I came out clean. I gave you my probation officer’s phone number,” and I asked them, “Did you contact my probation officer?” And he said “No, we don’t need to do that.” I’m like, “What do you mean you don’t need to do that? You should. I mean, you’re accusing me I’m this criminal and I’m this drug addict, you would think that you would call my probation officer and see if I’m in compliance with the court orders.” They never called my probation officer. I was reporting to my probation officer once a month. I was being drug tested once a month as well and they never once called my probation officer.
During that team meeting, it was just bringing up the past. It had nothing to do with the circumstances that why my son has passed away. When I told them what happened to the letter, they’re like, “Oh, that letter does not mean nothing to us. Now we’re going to have to wait for the autopsy report and we’re going to have to wait for your pending LAPD case to be closed.” And then they started telling me, “You’re going to have to attend domestic violence classes. You’re going to have to attend drug classes and you’re going to have to attend parenting classes.” And they did that to me and my baby’s father as well. And I said, “So am I going to get my kids back if I do — while I’m doing all this?” And they’re like, “No, you’re not going to have your kids back. You can’t be around your kids.” Oh, and then on top of that, they said that I was not in a mental state to take care of my kids because my son just passed away and they had like a psychologist there too and she recommended that I not be with my kids as well.
So the team meeting just went all wrong. It was not what they — they made it seemed like it was going to be a benefit for me and my kids, it just went all wrong. And while they were doing all this, my kids were present in the meeting while they were like talking about my case, accusing me of being a drug addict, disregarding my drug test, disregarding contacting my probation officer. So they took my kids and they said, I couldn’t have any weekends with my kids, I can only see my kids for like three to four hours or depending on the foster parent’s discussion. I only had supervised visits with my kids. They kept my kids away from for like about eight months and almost every month, I would ask them like, “I need to have my kids back. My daughter would always complain, mom I want to go home.”
And I did all my classes. They got the autopsy report. They didn’t even know the autopsy report was ready. I kept calling them and calling them to tell them that it was ready and I wouldn’t get any phone call return from them, so I had to personally go and take the autopsy report and take the autopsy report to them and tell them, “The autopsy report is closed, can I have my kids back?” And they said, “Oh, no, we need our own certified autopsy report.” And I said, “Well, when are you going to get it?” “Well, we’re going to have to request it.” That just prolonged the case even more.
Once they got the autopsy report, finally when I followed up again, they said, “Oh, yes, we have the autopsy report,” and I said, “Well, can I have my kids back now?” And they said, “No, now we have to wait till the LAPD case is close.” I followed up with the detective that was handling our case and him as well, he said, “You know what, we closed your case, we have your autopsy report and your case has been closed. You can take this report to the social services and see if you can get your kids back because that’s all they’re waiting for to my understanding.”
So I took the LAPD report back to them because they never returned my phone calls, every time I called them, they never returned my phone calls, so I went personally to the office and I took the LAPD report and I told them, “Look, here’s the LAPD report, can I have my kids back?” And she says, “No, we need to continue the investigation.” I’m like, “What investigation? The autopsy report tells you my son passed away for sudden infant death and there is no criminal case open against me, it’s closed, it’s right here.” You know I told them, “On what you said that you were taking my kids away from me on the grounds that you didn’t know what happened to my son and now that you have what you needed so I can get my kids back, now you’re telling me that I can’t have my kids back.” And they’re like, “Oh well, we’ll call you back,” they’re telling me, “We’ll call you back. I need to run this with my supervisor.”
So finally she calls me back and she says, “You need to send us your classes and the father, too.” So we did, we send us our classes, I called them and I said, “Hey, you know what, I finished my classes already.” You know, all this is happening within less than six months and when I told her, “We finished our classes already. Can I have my kids back?” And she said, “Oh, by law, I need to keep your kids open minimum six months.” That’s what she told me, that she needed to keep my kids open minimum six months. And I’m like, “Six months? That’s not what you said in the meeting. You said in the meeting that you were waiting for the autopsy report. You’re waiting for the case to be closed. I’ve given you everything you want and you still don’t want to give my kids back.” It just didn’t make any sense. “Can I speak to your supervisor?” By the whole time — because by this time, they already had changed the social worker. I already had my second social worker handling my case. Her supervisor never wanted to call me back. I never could get the lady on the phone, never can get the lady on the phone.
And, you know, finally I kept calling or being persistent with the social worker that I currently had and I said, “Hey you know what, I need my kids back. I want my kids back. I’ve given you everything that I have.” And she said, “Follow up with me next month.” And I would, every month I would until finally when they came to like eight months, I told her, “You know, like this is getting a little ridiculous,” I’m like, “You guys have no grounds of holding my kids. You guys have everything that you wanted. You even have a letter from the hospital. You have the autopsy report. You have the LAPD report and you still don’t want to give my kids back.”
So finally, when she set up another meeting to set with the supervisor, she changed it two times, she postponed my meeting with the supervisor two times, and finally, when it was the final meeting appointment, I took our counselor because we had family counseling where, you know, even the counselor was like, “You know what, I’m going to be there to support you and tell them this is causing more trauma to your family, that you need your kids back and I feel like the kids should go back home to you.” So she came to the meeting with me and they reviewed all my paper works and had seen that we had finished all the classes, all the requesta that they have requested and they had all the legal documentation from the colonel’s office, from the LAPD and they have the letter from the hospital.
And at that time of the meeting, they were still trying to keep my case open, they’re like, “Well, we see that you’re unemployed and we feel that you should stay on the case so we can try to help you get an apartment” and I said, “No, I don’t want any help. I just want my kids back.” And they were trying to — like I felt like they were trying to convince me, like tell me that they were going to help me like get a job or get an apartment and I said, “No, I don’t need that, I’m fine where I’m living at now and I just want my kids back.” And finally, they signed the paper work so I can get my kids back. And at that time went…
Vince Davis: I got a question…
Lisa Castillo: Yes, go ahead.
Vince Davis: I’m sorry for interrupting, I had question. At this point time, your eight months down the road, did they ever take you to court?
Lisa Castillo: No, no.
Vince Davis: Did you know that they can’t keep your kids more than 48 to 72 hours against your will without taking you to court?
Lisa Castillo: No, I didn’t know that. No.
Vince Davis: Okay. Continue with your story.
Lisa Castillo: So what I found, you know, kind of confusing was that they never visited my house to see how I live. My house is clean and in good condition, it’s always clean. It’s a clean house. They never visited my house. They never contacted my probation officer. They didn’t allow me to have my attorney present. They didn’t allow me to see a judge which I wanted to see the judge and they canceled my appointment. And at the time of the team meeting, they made it seemed like, you know, things were going to be good for us, that I was going to get my kids back. The way they set it up and told me, it seemed like, you know, we were going to be fine. But at that time when we were at that team meeting, I just felt lost because I even spoke to the LAPD officer and he was like, “I’m just confused, I’m here at your house and I don’t see how they can take your kids away from you even though that the investigation is going, we’re still waiting for the autopsy report, I’m really confused. I’ve never seen anything like this happened to anybody.” And they even have a letter from the doctor that was treating my son and he’s like, “I think you should just do what you should do.”
And for them to tell me that I can’t have an attorney present, I was just like in shock, like if I can’t have attorney present, these people are in control, like how do I get my kids back. I just felt like I was facing a dead end, like no help from nobody. I called many people to see if they would take my case and they’re like, they don’t let you have an attorney present, how can you get an attorney if they’re not letting you have an attorney present. Even the attorney that went with me, he said he’d never seen anything like this happened. So for eight months, they prolonged my case with not having any grounds to keep my kids away from me.
Vince Davis: Tell me what happens, if anything, with respect to how did this affect your children and how did it affect you?
Lisa Castillo: Well, for one, my child, my teenager, it affected her a lot. Different rules at a different home is different. When she came back home, she was just rebelled, like she rebelled on me with attitude, always angry. She started ditching school. She started drinking. She ran away from home. She tried to attempt to commit suicide. It affected her a lot. And during all this time was happening, she would just tell me she hated me and she hated me because she was not my mom and that I didn’t protect her, that I couldn’t do nothing to keep her away. And that only she knows how she felt when she found out that her brother had died and she didn’t have anyone to hug her and she was just surrounded by strangers. So it affected us a lot emotionally and it affected my daughter’s life because now, she’s scarred for life. Everything she’s seen and everything she’s done, you know, everything that she has done, like it’s not her, it wasn’t her, it was just her lashing out her anger of everything that she’s been through and it affected our family drastically.
The little one was always throwing tantrums. At the beginning, she didn’t want to be with me and then when she started getting closer to me, like I couldn’t leave anywhere because she would think that I wasn’t going to come back. I would have to take her everywhere with me. Sometimes I would even have to take her to the bathroom with me. It affected us drastically and emotionally and it affected our family a lot.
I could have lost my child, another child because of all of this. My teenager was at age where she kind of understand what’s going on and I think the hardest part was for me to see that all this and my daughter trying to kill her life, take her life away from herself over injustice, you know, what they did to us. I wasn’t there. And, you know, us having the help that we needed, like nobody was listening to us. I mean, they’re supposed to help us, not destroy us. And not even LAPD can help me, not even LAPD can help me get my kids back, not even attorney can help me get my kids back. I couldn’t even see a judge. So where do I go? We felt lost. It affected me a lot. It affected our whole family a lot. We were confused where we couldn’t believe what was happening to us.
Vince Davis: So what did you do now?
Lisa Castillo: Until this day, she blamed me. She thinks that I have — she’s like, “Mom, like if you’re mom, how come you can’t take us back.” So it affected us a lot.
Vince Davis: Why don’t you tell our listeners how you’ve met me?
Lisa Castillo: I did a lot of research, a lot of research and finally, I ran into an attorney and I visited the attorney, can I say his name, Mr. Davis?
Vince Davis: Yes, you can.
Lisa Castillo: Okay. So I visited an attorney, his name is Shawn McMillan and he told me that he’s never heard of a case like this and he would have like to take my case but his workload was too full and I told him, “Well, do you have anybody that you know that can help me?” And he said, “Actually I do.” And he told me about Mr. Davis. And by this time when I had met with Mr. McMillan, I have done so much research to find an attorney and anybody that I would call, they’re like, “No, we don’t take this kind of cases. No, we don’t take these kind of cases.” So when Mr. McMillan told me that he couldn’t take my case, I was like, “Oh my god, there has to be somebody that can help me.” And finally he’s like, “I actually do,” and he gave me Mr. Davis’ contact information.
As I drove back, the next day, I contacted Mr. Davis’ office and I set up an appointment to meet Mr. Davis. So at this time, I was like, “This is my last shot. I already had called like maybe dozens of attorneys.” And when I went into Mr. Davis’ parking lot, I said a prayer and I said, “God, please help me. You know, there has to be somebody that can help me and my family.” And I want my case to be known and be heard that what they’re doing to families out there and it’s just not right. It affects kids drastically. I almost lost another child because of them. My daughter could have really like kill herself and I could have lost another child because of them. When I met with Mr. Davis and he heard my case and he was stunned to hear my case. And then Mr. Davis broke some good news that, you know, he told me he would take my case and I was just really, really happy and I was very thankful for him taking my case.
Vince Davis: Lisa, I want to thank you for calling in and sharing with us today. I just want to let the listeners know that we are representing you right now. We had filed the case in the United States District Court or the Central District of California and we are preceding the case on your behalf and your children’s behalf against the county and against the social workers who put you through this and put your family through this. So, again, I want to thank you for calling in. At this point…
Lisa Castillo: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Davis.
Vince Davis: Thank you, Lisa. At this time, I’m going to take some calls because we’re getting backed up on the calls and so, Lisa, thank you very much and we’ll be speaking to you soon.
Lisa Castillo: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Davis.
Vince Davis: Okay. I’m going to take this first call and the first call has an area code [0:34:01 inaudible] 70 and the last two digits are 54. Hello, this is Vincent Davis. Okay. Perhaps that person is no longer on the line. Okay. The next call I’m going to take is a call with an area code of 949 and ending in 70. Hello, you’re on the line with Attorney Vincent Davis.
Vince Davis: How are you? How can I help you? Good morning.
Male: My story is very similar — good morning, Mr. Davis. My story is very similar to the last caller. As you’ve discussed in the end of her conversation, the concerns are the damages to the children. You know, what she talked about, you know, they kind of blame their parents for their displacement, it’s a scarring process, it’s irreversible and going through the same thing. I had a six months review hearing October 1st at the area in San Jose and it costs, you know, plane tickets and hotels to go down there and they canceled it and they put it on to November 18th. Once again, I just went down there and they canceled it to January 12 and I have suffered losses in my business and the social workers, just as she said, you give these people an ounce of authority and they take a pound of control. And it just is — there must be some kind of litigation or something to put some kind of control on these dependency cases because it’s just — the case workers just have too much authority and it’s just something needs to be done and I’m glad you’re there to help people because it’s very traumatizing to go through this process for anybody.
Vince Davis: Can I ask you a question? Okay. I think we lost that caller. I’m going to take another call and this person’s number starts with area code 44 and ends in 89. Hello, are you there?
“Female” Caller from Los Angeles
Female: Yes, I’m here. How are you doing this morning?
Vince Davis: I’m good. How are you?
Female: How are you doing this morning? Oh, I’m good. Thanks for asking.
Vince Davis: Good. How are you?
Female: I’m blessed, thanks for asking. My name is [0:37:09 inaudible]. I was listening and I’m now here in LA. My son was drugged and abused by staffing at a school who’s been bully and they removed him in that place, I have a Down syndrome son who they came back a year and a half later and removed him and said I was medically neglecting him. He sleeps on the CPAP machine. He has and been on this machine since July, here it is November. He has been hospitalized the other day because he fell out. He’s been very sick since they took him and I’m not understanding how these people with no high school diplomas or anything is able to be foster parent and just come in and just have control over your life. They’ve given these people this money and it’s all about the money. They didn’t have nothing to do with them trying to help the parents to reunite, they don’t do that. By the time I go to court, they never talked about returning my kids. Start off with taking one and now they have three.
Vince Davis: Ma’am, may ask you, is your case in Los Angeles County?
Female: Yes, it is.
Vince Davis: How long have you been going to juvenile court?
Female: Been almost two years. In March, it will be two years.
Vince Davis: And they haven’t returned your children to you?
Female: No. I barely get to see them. There was supposed to be a family but they were relative. I thought when they’re placed with your family or something that you should be able to see them and be more interactive within your kid’s life. That’s not the cause. My nine-year old, the one with the Down syndrome, he needs his glasses and different things and his medications that he’s on daily, they just let it sit at the pharmacy. I had to go pick it out, carry them like they should. They’ve put him in diapers.
Vince Davis: Well, do you have an attorney that’s assisting you in your case?
Female: No, I have no attorney. Everyone that they gave me, that they appointed me, they’re no longer with the law [0:39:53 inaudible] so I go to court next month and I just don’t have no attorney or nothing.
Vince Davis: Okay. This is what I want you to do. Do you have a pen and a piece of paper?
Vince Davis: I want you to write down this telephone number and on Monday, I want you to call me at this number and I want to talk to you more in detail about your case so that I can be able to do give you some advice or maybe able to help you. Are you ready for the number?
Vince Davis: It’s 888-888-6582. That’s 888-888-6582. Call me Monday and I’m going to see if I can try to help you, okay?
Female: Okay. I really appreciate you, Mr. Davis, so much.
Vince Davis: Thank you. Bye-bye.
Female: Thank you. You have a blessed day. Thanks.
Vince Davis: Okay. I’m going to take another call. The calls are getting backed up. This caller has an area code of 626 and has the last two digits of 76. Hello, you’re on with Attorney Vincent Davis. How can I help you?
Female: Hi, Vince. It’s Berina.
Vince Davis: Hi, Berina, how are you? You’re on live.
Female: I just wanted to first of all express my condolences. I was listening to Lisa’s story and I know they’ve been through so much pain and I just want to express my condolences to her. And then secondly, I wanted to mention to the folks who’s been listening out there that I know you do free seminars and that you meet with people individually at all these seminars. And I’ve been to the seminars and I know that you keep them small. You only have a few people attending at a time so that you can meet with each person individually. And I’ve seen you build strategies and action steps and really help these folks and I know that you’d already have [0:42:09 inaudible] for next year and you do have two seminars coming up, right, December 5th and December 12th.
Free seminars in Southern California
Vince Davis: Yes, I have two seminars on December 5th…
Female: Yeah, I just want to say thank you very much for doing that and I really appreciate you having this radio show.
Vince Davis: Thank you very much, Berina. Thank you for calling in. Bye-bye.
Female: Yeah, you’re welcome. Bye.
Vince Davis: So Berina mentioned the seminars and I give seminars every other month and in the month of December, I’m giving one on the 5th and on the 12th. But unfortunately, those are sold out. I keep it limited to like 14 or 15 people so that I can talk with people after the seminar. So be looking for seminar on January or February. I might have to start doing those free seminars monthly. Okay. I’m going to take another call and the caller’s area code is 310 and the caller’s number ends in 12. So good morning, you’re on with Vincent Davis.
Female Caller “Nikki” from Los Angeles
Female: Hi, good morning, Attorney Davis. Thank you so much for having this call and just hearing these stories, I know that I’m not alone. I’d like to encourage everyone here currently going through this because I have gotten through it but I still need your help and I want to part of this fight to make sure that they stop doing this to people. My children were completely victimized at the hands of Santa Clarita DCFS office. We moved here about a year ago from New York and my daughter, she called the police when I was arguing with my husband. She was afraid. There was no violence going on. We all told them that and they left. DCFS came to interview the children. They came to my home. They advised that he needed to leave the home and I didn’t understand why. We scheduled a follow up meeting for the office. In the TDM**, I offered to give them a background check. We had just moved to the area so we had no family or friends to contact anyone for references. They basically fabricated the whole TDM report and there begin my journey with DCFS.
**(NOTE: TDM is short for “Team Decision Making” which is a collaborative meeting process designed to produce the best decision concerning a child’s safety and placement through the joint contributions of family members, community partners, service providers)
They showed up at my house. They detained my children. We went to court so I was involved in the court process. Initially, I immediately flew a sister out here. They required my sister to stay in home with the children but they would not let me or my fiancé back in the home. So that was a hardship. We had just moved here for a job so they create a financial instability in our home. Now, I have to support someone else. I was willing to do whatever for my children. But prior to them being placed with my sister, they were in foster care in Compton, different homes, mistreated, involved in fighting. My children were completely traumatized.
Eventually, [0:45:16 inaudible] went to court. Even though I had previously been in counseling, been enrolled in counseling, they told me I couldn’t have my children back until going to start in classes that I was already doing. So I begin to do that process as quickly as possible. My sister, they basically — when she wouldn’t get on their side and contribute to the lies that they wanted to say, they told her they would take the children away from her. And basically, even though the court, you know, all the court documents, the judge ordered for my sisters — my children to be at home with my sister, DCFS pulled them back out and made them go into foster care and I was never able to get them out.
Luckily, I was able to find a woman here that was approved by the foster care system so I was able to have them transferred to her, so someone that I could work with and that, you know, at least had a love for my children and I could see them and visit with them but it was a complete awful process having to navigate that. My oldest is a senior now. She had been on the college track because of DCFS moving her around, moving her schools. She is suffering now — that’s her biggest dream in life and, you know, just having to see everything that they had to go through, being lied to and intimidated by them and showing up at their schools, threatening them, then completely telling them all the time that nothing has ever happened, they’ve never seen any violence and, you know, them twisting the words and never ever reporting with these children said is right. They made their own observations and they just came after our family with a vengeance and I believe it was all about money. I have five children. It was very lucrative to hold my children hostage for the past year.
Vince Davis: How long — well, have you gotten your children back?
Female: Yes, I have my children back there at home. We close our case in September but this case began last September. It took six months to even get a disposition in court. At the time of disposition, I had already done my classes. I did everything they told me to do as soon as possible and they still wouldn’t give me my children back. They lied and manipulated the words of the counselor even though the counselor said, you know, there’s no violence. They said that, well, she’s not admitting it, she’s not talking about it. So, you know, they just lied every time we went to court to continue to detain the children despite all of the recommendations of all the professional.
Vince Davis: And when did your case end? When did you get them back?
Female: I got them back in September of this year.
Vince Davis: 2015?
Female: They were allowed to return home about a month before that.
Vince Davis: Okay. Well, you know, as you might imagine, social workers lying and reports to the judge is illegal. And if you have evidence that a social worker has lied in the report, I encourage you to give me a call on Monday so that we can further discuss possible legal action. If you have a pen and a paper, I’ll give you that number to call me on Monday. Let me know when you’re ready.
Female: Would that be 888-888-6582?
Vince Davis: That’s it.
Female: I wrote it down when you gave it to the other woman. Thank you so much. I absolutely have documentation. That’s one thing I did is document and have the people involved and this process was made document.
Vince Davis: And just for my notes, what’s your first name? Just tell me your first name.
Vince Davis: Okay, Nikki. Thank you very much. I’ll be looking for your call.
Nikki: Thank you. Have a great day. I’ll be listening.
Vince Davis: Thank you. Okay. We’re going to go to the next caller. Our calls are backing up here. I’m going to take a call from an area code 669, ending in the numbers 53. Hello, you’re on with Attorney Vincent Davis.
Male Caller from Area Code 669 (Santa Clara County) Regarding Orange County Case
Male: Mr. Davis.
Vince Davis: Yes, sir, good morning.
Male: Good morning.
Vince Davis: How can I help you?
Male: I was the caller earlier that got cut off right when you’re asking your question.
Vince Davis: Okay. I apologize.
Male: It was two calls prior to this.
Vince Davis: Okay. I apologize if you’re cut off. How can I help you?
Male: It happens quite often. Your question was going to be…
Vince Davis: How can I help you?
Male: I have a six-month hearing in October 1st and they rescheduled to November 18th and then it’s rescheduled to January 12.
Vince Davis: Okay, let me ask you a few questions, okay?
Male: I completed all the [0:50:05 inaudible] and they keep rolling the case over and over and over and the children are getting traumatized. That’s [0:50:13 inaudible] and then you’re just about to ask me a question.
Vince Davis: Okay. So the question is your case in Los Angeles or Orange County?
Orange County juvenile dependency courts
Male: Orange County.
Vince Davis: Okay. Do you have a court appointed attorney?
Male: No — yes, I have a court appointed attorney and it’s like they just sit there. As I said prior, you give these people an ounce of authority and they take a pound of control. She just goes in there. We’re not allowed in the room and they chit chat for 20 minutes and just basically agreed that I’m not ready or — you know, in-laws are involved and they’re very wealthy. I’ve had suspicions about payola but I don’t know if I want to go down that road, I just want to get my children back.
Vince Davis: Okay. How many children are we talking about?
Male: Two, 10-year old and 8-year old and they’re right at an age where they starting to get to feel anger and just like the last caller, I’m afraid that they’re going to get angry with me for not protecting them from circumstances that dependency court has put them in.
Vince Davis: Are they placed with the in-laws?
Male: I don’t think so. The in-laws are the ones with fabricated the dependency because their daughter is on fourth DUI and looking at jail time and they just didn’t want me to have custody and so they work with dependency people and brought in manufactured reports and just basically snowballed and sand bag me until next thing I know, three days later, I’m sitting at the dependency hearing and my children are being taken away from me. I have no…
Vince Davis: Okay. Are you — hold on a second. You want to get the children back, right?
Male: I want to get the children back. I jumped through all their hoops.
Vince Davis: What county do you live in?
Male: Pardon me?
Vince Davis: What county do you live in?
Male: Where do I live?
Vince Davis: Yeah, what county?
Male: I live in Santa Clara right now, San Jose.
Vince Davis: Okay. Have you talked to the social worker about placing the children with you?
Vince Davis: Okay. And you’re not getting any satisfaction?
Male: None whatsoever.
Vince Davis: Okay. So this is what I’m going to have to do, I’m going to have to ask you to call me on Monday so that we can get into the specifics of your case because I hear your scenario a lot and that’s the father who the in-laws and the mother don’t like and they keep doing everything to keep the children away from them. So what I think I need to do with your case is I need to review some specific details and I can give you perhaps a strategy, a game plan to try to implement with your court appointed attorney. And if that’s not possible, we can also talk about me taking over your case. I actually live in Orange County, probably about 20 minutes from the court house where your case is at Lamoreaux Justice Center. But we do cases, literally, all over Southern California, actually all over the State of California. So if you have a pencil and a piece of paper, I’m going to give you a telephone number to call me and talk to me directly. Let me know when you’re ready.
Male: Okay. I’m ready right now. Go ahead.
Vince Davis: Okay. It’s 888-888-6582. That’s 888-888-6582. I want you to call me on Monday. If I’m not in, I want you to leave a message or make an appointment with my secretary and we’ll talk in detail about your case. There is one thing I want you to do before we speak and that is you have a report from the social worker, it’s probably called six-month review report. I need you to email that to me so that we can discuss something intelligently so I know what’s going on in the case. And if you want, I can give you my email address right now.
Male: I have your email address.
Vince Davis: Oh, you do. Okay. Very good. So just email me that and we’ll have a consultation or you’ll schedule consultation on Monday and then on consultation, I will have reviewed the report and I will talk to you intelligently about what you need to do in your case.
Male: Okay. And my heart goes out to everybody that goes through this process. As I said before, it’s something [0:55:48 inaudible] these people have too much power, they get to come in and take the children without court orders and it’s just — the problem is just terrible and it’s unjustified. I mean, I know they serve a purpose for when it’s needed but when it’s not needed, it’s detrimental and it’s not proactive. But thank you, Mr. Davis. I’ll give you a call on Monday.
Vince Davis: Okay, thank you very much, sir, for calling.
Male: Thank you.
Vince Davis: All right. So I’m going to try to take one more call. We have about three minutes left in the show and the called, your number begins with 626 and ends with 84. Hello, you’re on with Attorney Davis.
Female: Hi, good morning. This is Annie. You represented me at my son’s trial, so I wanted to share my story, too. Do you remember Paul Preston?
Vince Davis: I remember.
Vince Davis: Your trial and your case is burned in my memory.
Female: Yes, yes. So I really want to share my story. My son was five years old and I had two children, a nine-year old daughter, five-year old son and I was eight months pregnant when a social worker was investigating me for seven months relentlessly. She wasn’t able to collect enough evidence to open a case so she’s just keeping the case open. She’s an emergency response worker who’s supposed to call the cases in 30 days we thought. So my child was saying he was molested by his father and he was telling — he told the police one time, one police station, and anyway, so we ended up — I ended up hiring Vincent Davis. We prepared an awesome, awesome defense, beautiful defense. We had expert witnesses, doctors, and we took it to trial. I was accused of unnecessary medical treatment. So Vince had one of my son’s doctors from Children’s Hospital come in and testify saying, “No, it’s not unnecessary medical treatment.
The child actually diagnosed with periodic fever syndrome. And even though we tried everything to get my child back, it just did not work. I did everything in the timely manner. I did more than what they asked me to do. It seemed like they just want to torture and torture and torture. I was lucky enough that the child was placed with the father but I had super limited access to him. And I want to say the social worker’s name. Her name is Christy Clarken and she’s from Pasadena, so be very, very careful if you’re involved with DCFS at that office because if there’s not enough evidence to build a case, they still will keep it open just to build one because that trial, my son testified too being molested and it did not do anything.
It’s a corrupt system unfortunately and to this day, I still don’t have my child back. The father is out on bail for felony domestic violence and the new social worker who was called, her name is Emily, inappropriate emails between her and the father were released accidentally in court. We were supposed to look at it, give it back but we accidentally kept it. And in the emails, the father is saying, “Please help me, she might get a criminal protective order and she might be given custody of my son.” And in the email she’s saying, don’t worry. Let the judge know I’m slapping her with emotional abuse and general neglect of the child that I’ve only had monitored visits of.
So if they want to create something, they will create something out of thin air. They’re trying to discredit a monitor whose court approved psychologist, court approved monitor, they’re trying to discredit my neuropsychologist who provided reunification therapy so that I’m supposed to have custody now. Anybody who comes into my case, any professionals, any court approved people, they discredit. And I got an email at midnight from my child’s lawyer saying that if the father is convicted, DCFS have made it clear that mother will not have custody, that they will not place my now seven and a half year old with me even though my brand new baby is now two years old and I have a 12-year old in the home.
Vince Davis: Annie, I want to thank you for your call and sharing.
Female: You’re welcome.
Vince Davis: I love to continue this conversation about your case next. We’re running out of time. Please call me…
Female: Great. Have a great day.
Vince Davis: Thank you. Bye-bye.
Female: I will. Okay. Bye-bye.
Vince Davis: Thank you, folks, for listening and we’ll talk to you and speak to you and see you on the radio next Saturday at 8:00 AM.
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